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Sep 16Liked by Doc Impossible

As a non-binary transfeminine person, thank you. Another aspect of this bias I experience is the implicit biases in my own head telling me what I "should be" or "should do" in relation to what it means for me to be transgender. And it's so confusing and frustrating (and also frustrating trying to get across to people that non-binary != to androgeny). It's not just your bias from a binary standpoint,

it's my own fruatratingly binary bias as well having grown up in a culture that views gender as binary. And I would suspect a lot of non-binary folks experience a similar frustration.

Thanks again for another great, well sourced, and insightful article.

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Ughhh, I can only imagine how frustrating that must be. I'm sorry you have to live with that.

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This is fantastic! I definitely saw how the cultural and scientific biases on transness gave me a fundamentally incomplete and flawed view of transness back in 2000 when I first started researching my trans identity. Even common words like "transsexual" at that time were (intentionally or unintentionally) exclusionary, but I didn't have the conceptual framework to see how.

As I aged, I continued to meet new people and try to constantly learn new things about transness and listen to people's experiences. Being in a support group that was 90% trans masc opened my eyes in a way that wouldn't have been possible in a transfem specific group, and once nonbinary people started joining the group I was forced to learn again.

I say "forced" because I was presented with new information. I couldn't ignore that information. Yet lots of people in the world do, all the time, because they're comfortable with the world being one set way. But I'm trans, and I figure that if I had given in to the "one set way" impulse, I wouldn't ever transition.

I find it fundamentally counter-intuitive to imagine a trans person, whose life is inherently about change and adapting to new concepts of gender, to be unwilling to adapt to new information about gender beyond their own circumstance. I understand why cis scientists and clinicians do it (not that it's right), but I don't understand why we do it. Is not growth beyond the norms inherent to being trans?

(Sorry if I'm way off, haha. I just get so tired of when I sometimes have to deal with enby exclusionists...)

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No, you're not--and in some ways, the same troubles cut from the gender abolitionist stance that some enbies take. I'm sure you've heard those oddball takes that being binary, or even presenting in a generally binary way, is inherently oppressive because... reasons.

Any time a person calcifies their way of thinking about identity, it's gonna start getting exclusionary and damaging. The only people who get a say in their own identities is those precise people... but it takes one human brain to understand one human being. I try to be understanding to folks who are trying to learn and grow out of bad spots, as long as they're not hurting other people in the process.

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Sep 16Liked by Doc Impossible

Awesome article. Another way conceptual metaphor learning influences this is that until very recently, the absolute size of the typical sample pool available to most researchers would be pretty embarrassing, if it existed at all - even if nonbinary people have always existed, they frequently wouldn’t have the language to describe themselves, much less be willing respond to a call for study participants. The conceptual metaphors need time to spread to the people that need them, even after we figure them out. And oh boy is it frustrating to try to shift to a more complete modality when the majority of the population is still working on that initial conceptual bootstrapping…

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Very much so, and especially given the history of really brutal oppression of every trans way of being other than the most brute force of binary transfemininity! Like, even if someone had wanted to perform such a study in the 80's or 90's, where would they have even FOUND participants?

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Sep 16Liked by Doc Impossible

Thank you so much for writing on this topic! I really appreciate you drawing attention to this.

I don’t meant this as criticism, in the negative sense, at all. But since the topic here involves poking at implicit biases, I thought tis might be fun and helpful to poke at. When asking readers to visualize a nonbinary person, you wrote:

“And that nonbinary person—which shade of bright neon color was their hair, in your imagination? Did you imagine a binder, just peeking out from a button-down shirt, visible enough for you to know it was there? Again, they’re definitely white, aren’t they? And definitely slender.”

Just based on some of the paragraphs that came later, I got the impression that you were assuming that this was a description that might possibly describe an AFAB enby, but wouldn’t fit an AMAB enby. With perhaps that mention of a binder being the clincher. But I’m an AMAB enby, and I’ve been on the fence about gender-affirming hormone treatments for quite awhile, because they represent a bundle of compromises for me, rather than a definite “yes” or “no”. One of the things that has me hesitating is because I’m “mostly sure” I don’t want to grow a chest. Which is a difficult place to be, because most of the literature I’ve read suggests that this would be kind of inescapable if I start hormones, no matter what combination or dosage I take, sooner or later estrogen = at least some chest development. And it’s not something I feel like I could readily discuss with a physician, for fear that they would conclude that my reluctance about having a chest would be reason to deny prescribing me anything at all.

Anyway, what I’m getting at is that while I haven’t worn a binder yet, I have been reminding myself that they are an option, as part of my ongoing calculus of whether or not starting hormones might be the right choice for me. So one day, I could well be someone who fits your description. Maybe. I’m not so sure about the bright neon hair. : )

But part of the fun here, though, is where actually is the implicit bias here? I’m not sure if implicit biases fed into what you chose to frame into the description you wrote, or if the implicit bias was mine, in the assumptions I’m making about what I’d assume you’d assume about enbies. Maybe it was both of us? I don’t know! Haha. : )

Probably, it’s a hole all of us are falling into all the time, in different ways, often without fully realizing it. Or at least that’s my take away so far. Which is a good message, and one I appreciate how well you’ve discussed it here.

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Sep 16·edited Sep 16Author

I love this! And the point of the exercise was to expose some of the many inappropriate expectations that are common, but far from universal, out there. The example, in other words, was *meant* to be ludicrously wrong, hopefully in ways the snagged on implicit assumptions many of us make without realizing it.

But yeah, the bottom line is exactly what you thought!

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Sep 16Liked by Doc Impossible

I think the hardest thing is trying to push changes to gendered language (french) where i know that one of my friend who is non-binary but the any/all kind of, that also share my ideas that neo pronouns in french, while great for inclusion, are just ugly in how they sound (like users in french to be inclusive would be written as utilisateur.rices). Hard to change mentalities

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I mean, that's why languages coin or crib new terms. Where there's a need, language will grow to meet it.

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Sep 16·edited Sep 16Liked by Doc Impossible

My images of nonbinary people are shaped by knowing a *lot* of them. And what I've learned by knowing all these folks is that any single image of what it means to be nonbinary is wrong, because the lives and experiences and identities of nonbinary people are so varied that no single image can capture that variety.

I'm a middle-aged binary trans woman, and my experience is nowhere near the norm. I live in a very queer area, I'm involved in several queer organizations, and I have a lot of queer friends. But the statistics presented in this article demonstrate that among teens, knowing gay and trans and nonbinary and otherwise queer kids is the norm, at least in areas where kids are free to express themselves and explore their identities (looking at you, red states).

A generation or two from now, conversations around gender are likely to be very different.

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I cannot agree more emphatically.

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Sep 16Liked by Doc Impossible

I usually say I have lived my life so far as a butch straight woman. I started out male identified in the 1970s when I had plenty of role models among cis AFAB scientists who "fit in" as one of the boys. Feminism gave me a way to see myself as a woman, and I wandered into marriage to a man who liked me being in charge. I had very meaningful experiences of my cis female body in childbirth and nursing. So yes, I have been able to wear masculine clothing and not shave my legs and live my life how I wish without the challenges that would push me to define myself as nonbinary.

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Sep 16Liked by Doc Impossible

For context, I am a trans lesbian, pinging the VU meter to the right against its stop.

About nonbinary people I'd like to offer that I accept their nonbinariness without reservation. I don't comprehend their gender dysphoria and so what, that doesn't matter. I also imagine that being enby would be so hard in our society in that as far as I know there's no way for me or anyone to assess someone in advance of their telling me. Maybe that also doesn't matter (to them) but I always love it when I'm gendered for who I am.

I'm also aware that the percentage of trans masculine people is much smaller than the trans feminine people, and I've wondered why. I assume that there's some sort of statistical curve that's roughly equal on both sides.

I've considered that AFAB people (who're trans masc) have a kind of advantage in that they're allowed to wear what are considered more masculine clothing and appearance with a shrug while AMAB people have much narrower lanes to stay within. And maybe for those AFAB people they don't carry much gender dysphoria (and thus don't identify or maybe even consider themselves as some flavor of trans) because, well, they just live their lives how they wish.

I identify as a lesbian and all of my best friends are cis lesbians. I've asked them about butch lesbians: might they be trans at heart? No, I've been assured, they are simply women who present themselves as they are, butch lesbians. Is there a similar and socially acceptable way for femme AMAB people to present? I don't think so.

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Sep 16Liked by Doc Impossible

I read the part about learning in rapid leaps rather than slow steps, and thought to myself, "Hmm, I have epiphanies, but I'd say most of my learning is more gradual..." (Scroll: Mae's webocmic) "Ah. Epihany is definitely my most significant way of learning!" :D

Also: It's hard to believe everything in my life has happened in one year!

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Knowledge-building is so weird. For a long time, very little happens, and then a whole lot happens very, very quickly.

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Sep 16Liked by Doc Impossible

You said that "the significant majority of all research is about trans women" - can you share where you got that information? Maybe it's apples to oranges, but when I look at gender studies programs or academic conferences etc. around transness in general I see so little representation of trans women, so it's curious to me that the research might outweigh the representation. Thanks!

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So, there's a big gap between representation of trans folks in Women's and Gender Studies programs *as researchers* and our appearance as participants *in biomedical research*. Most, if not all, of the classic studies on HRT and trans behavior focused overwhelmingly or exclusively on trans women, to the exclusion of everybody else. Much other research that *was* gender-inclusive significantly overrepresented trans women to trans men, even when the researchers tried to be inclusive. This is a good example: 78 trans women are included, compared to only 44 trans men, an almost 2:1 disparity:

https://pdf.sciencedirectassets.com/272375/1-s2.0-S0091743521X00151/1-s2.0-S0091743522000366/am.pdf?X-Amz-Security-Token=IQoJb3JpZ2luX2VjEOX%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2FwEaCXVzLWVhc3QtMSJIMEYCIQC472R57wezgPteagzjdMpidz3WASnT%2B7EG9HDxwFeLQAIhAKEv0VMR60bA3q4kgfs%2BOCEGE07p6Q3xkpNdlQITFlxMKrMFCB4QBRoMMDU5MDAzNTQ2ODY1IgxuqR124BGc7kAnKrMqkAWWQdGoOqowNSMcaWMUXaMexrQ%2FU2gbZycideGXLH3FYeuVWK4LCsUEWIYe18W7dPFWS8gaWRsuEI5uLsTW%2F3E2r1CwIqibGYZe2XK5TtkCLVM0y6wXskU%2BPugEoZ1j7MW0oa5K7%2BWd3bbo%2Bho4ygcpRusGEp5tIJH6QYKezoWUsbDROIRebvzcBLQkXUIOGxvKWsA1qkblkgJK5odO%2FVs3yKlXK31UkOvE83grguGoSLnfm98Ezh61dM5Yu4NoVu%2B4WmmP8ARONC6cuukMkolVO%2BWhJOdBUSKUH2g1rC2vLyljhCI3pug0aQXYnVz7tBbIGkManc%2B9PZjXXoqCIBeaLE0qjozOTsJOIGBp%2B7I6MrkNEzy6Dyrj4DMajyyn6Ul%2BGchJMwWsYJqfbV9fhm7jeZcCf8%2Br1KlxDPSKdkfqCtq9ug5xQBCurEeZqPafcs7qJD0j0ymAs%2FGuIpcAt6hnLFOHsq5xtwagdLfoK3s8alxtxxTv8%2FAkUgMdxmAoS0Fpc9o6Mmt%2B0E4d%2B447vq4%2BgyS%2FL%2FW%2FEychEvbjt9eO9gMXPGiGQp4944iKiT%2B3nPyc91%2FZ1SD1%2F38oqgR%2BKXgOtzQ0QlDS9brrWF3cMwpV3cH5M1Sio8h%2BNbvKqWWU0ciM%2FVEuGSf6AV9LzKI%2F1jQgOc7ttREB0K6cdBe8EHTRIzyBMq9l194hClnZ1JsVApZswmzBdoIIfg%2FoPsPz8UkZ0pArJy8gh0Wuw4kfN0TkBXLO3fTiI9D35ww17q%2FiwHScBxxVXVVPfP2MHKziAX2UMJrlR6gFCdSPv%2BR9OocEokYvTb8t7%2FWhLlZiTehk0IjA%2FPvzBjY%2BN5I7FIUDkI%2FivPZr4mqVZCDzqCsuxgQk9jC9qqK3BjqwAUwDW2dYV6bxl%2FP0YLitRHb685fGV8oXsj6BMtx0bXijyvsM2zLmvKpjEMZdP23z5WKDxSPlEOavd5L4DB%2FFkXrmvgF52%2BJTJHSE5xT7wI1pOjdtIX%2FQXwKwmqJZjn5vd0aEqw12sAVv95EUTS46KeRN3%2FZxVOgSfx9rkIe2YVEWHMvIzrzQ3KyICgoPnvjhs5IbEDt8fRo86NTaL2mOukok1IY3khqcK6MLJmdR4d5W&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Date=20240916T210535Z&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Expires=300&X-Amz-Credential=ASIAQ3PHCVTYV3E7W2GN%2F20240916%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Signature=9bc69e633e89ac1245800f49d2e56fd32aa38e685a97770b7368b8ce3aa61b31&hash=13c995afaf350ff51589473fe96beea0038afe848465925c3053f08e52260883&host=68042c943591013ac2b2430a89b270f6af2c76d8dfd086a07176afe7c76c2c61&pii=S0091743522000366&tid=pdf-cdd40cae-4428-4eaf-905a-808fb0207bd3&sid=507ca908124b8644fa08d2e8ca427283603cgxrqa&type=client

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Sep 16Liked by Doc Impossible

I love it!

And it smashes right into several overlapping areas I've been thinking about for a very long time.

First - I'm guessing you've read TS Kuhn's "The Structures of Scientific Revolution"? It really blew me away as an undergrad to grapple with how messy science was, and how often for new theories to become mainstream, the previous theories' proponents had to literally die off.

So even people trained to empiricism still struggle with their own innate resistance to change in their chosen field. (And there are lots of arguably beneficial reasons why we as a species are reluctant to casually discard abstractions which seem to have been working "well enough". Abstractions are tools for survival, etc.)

There's also the lovely delusion we have largely embraced in pop culture, which is that our brain is a computer. When - sure - we can recognize new information and conceive of new models, but building that into a concrete, habitual, "lense" through which we perceive the world proceeds at the speed of chemistry and neural connection development rather than digital computer reconfiguration. So our professed knowledge operates in advance of our effective model, as the later is always playing catch-up.

Finally there is the fact that our of our models, all of our disciplines provide us with frameworks with which to model parts of the world, make predictions, etc. (Like a grid overlay in Renaissance perspective!). But each framework is limited. And virtually all of them, no matter how sharply it's boundaries are defined, overlap other frameworks (consider chemistry and physics, and how chemical reactions end up needing physics models at a certain scale for accuracy). But do we consciously study when it makes sense to switch frameworks? How to recognize when our ways of knowing break down as well as which "neighboring" frameworks is relevant, based on the particular signals of dysfunction?

When it comes to trans binaries and non binaries, I struggle myself. I would classify myself as a binary trans woman. And yet often I find it easier to communicate with people who call themselves non-binary. In my life, I've often found that perceived affinity was a clue that would lead me to greater understanding if I pursued it. But not always!

It could simply be that I share other qualities with NB people that have nothing to do with gender. I am both neurodivergent as well as transgender and at times I struggle to understand the entire idea that gender is a "binnable" quality. It seems to me much more that we all have varying traits and preferences, influenced by culture (I am aware of Julia Serrano's separation of presentation, inner identity, etc), which define both who we understand ourselves to be, but also how we perceive gender in others.

With that in mind, gender becomes something that can only be recognized in oneself. And conversations about how one individual perceives another individual's gender are really just dialogues between 2 separate conceptions of gender.

In many ways I dislike the term non-binary because it seems purely reactive. "Not-woman, not-man", when there must be as many ideas of gendered self as there are non-binary people, and they all deserve their own recognition.

This is not to say there is no place for study of thr transfeminine and transmasculine. Our culture is heavily biased towards the binary, and the interaction of all trans/GNC with that bias has enormous effects of our lives and our envisioning of ourselves.

If I would argue anything in this regard, it's that we might profitably study how trans presentation within and in violation of the cultural binary affects us, our health, our relationships, etc. How the success or failure of these attempts affects us. Why we attempt a presentation. Is it to be our true selves or to navigate a culture that we perceive as hostile?

My point is to ask questions like

"What is the experience of trans people presenting as feminine in a context where being feminine is accepted?"

"What about when it is not?"

"What if they succeed or fail?"

"What if they present in alignment with their inner self? What if not? What if it's mixed?"

"What if a trans person presents in a fashion which cannot be interpreted as fitting into any culturally defined gender role?"

Rather than "what is the experience of transfeminine people?"

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Damn, it's been a long time since someone mentioned Kuhn to me. An oldie, but in many ways, still a pretty good perspective.

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I share this phenomenon.

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11 hrs agoLiked by Doc Impossible

Thanks for another thought provoking and informative article! I do feel the need to address a pet peeve. I know you were not trying to get into the whole ecology of gender terms and definitions - so I'm not directing frustration at your article. I am more generally frustrated with the term non-binary itself. Even if there is not a clearly accepted alternative, it can be helpful to at least name the inherent limitations of the term. We are defining a group of people by what they are not - that in and of itself reveals biases at play here and feeds a sense of conundrum or unknowability. We do need to keep working to build a term that embraces what "gender expansive/creative/etc" people are and communicates acceptance and a desire to see them in their beautiful wholeness for who they really are.

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Yeah, that's the whole curse of imprecision of terms, whether it's nonbinary or transfeminine/trans masculine or even trans itself! Any time you want or need to talk about large, widely varied groups of people, the language *by necessity* gets so vague and mealy-mouthed as to brush up against meaninglessness or to call out a single thing that the larger group isn't as it's one common trait.

It's annoying every damn time. The worst part is that it's still usually the best way, out of many rough options.

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Sep 16Liked by Doc Impossible

You asked why there are so many more trans women than trans men. One POSSIBLE explanation could stem from the testosterone spike that male mammals experience on Neonatal Day One. Experiments performed on mice have shown that blocking this spike right after birth causes the male mammal to spend its life engaging in female behaviors. The brain, still in default mode (female) at birth does not get the "instructions" to redirect development into typical male patterns.

The test cannot be replicated in humans for ethical reasons (that somehow are found not to apply to other species). But perhaps there are more AMAB people who are trans than AFAB because only the XY gene newborns have this hurdle to jump...and for whatever reason some of them may not make that crucial testosterone spike in full or in sufficient part.

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Mmmm, there's a whole lot of problematic in this hypothesis, beginning with the severe differences with how social mice are compared with humans. Some behavioral research in mice bears fruit in humans, but *a lot* does not. Secondly, and most importantly, the "female fetus until masculinization occurs" hypothesis is *incredibly* incorrect, to the point that it borders on pseudoscience or misinformation. To quote:

"Mammalian embryos remain sexually undifferentiated until the time of sex determination. An important point is that early embryos of both sexes possess indifferent common primordia that have an inherent tendency to feminize unless there is active interference by masculinizing factors."

In more plain terms: before the sexual differentiation you're referring to, human fetuses are neither male nor female until after the sexual differentiation you're referring to.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK222286/

Finally, there is no such thing as a male or female brain. I've covered this in detail in another article, with several links to source material:

https://stainedglasswoman.substack.com/p/what-we-know-about-trans-brains

So... yeah. For better or worse, what you've outlined here is directly contradicted on several levels by our current best understanding of human biology. Sorry to burst the bubble!

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